1999-02-09MINUTES - MOUND CITY COUNCIL - FEBRUARY 9, 1999
The City Council of thc City of Mound, Hcnnepin County, Minnesota, met in regular session
on Tuesday, February 9, 1999, at 7:30 PM, in the Council Chambers at 5341 Maywood Road,
in ~d City.
Those present were: Mayor Pat Meisel, Councilmembers Andrea Ahrens, Bob Brown, Mark
Hanus, and Leah Weycker. Also in attendance were: City Manager Edward J. Shukle, Jr., City
Attorney John Dean, City Clerk Fran Clark, Park Director Jim Fackler, Fire Chief Greg
Pederson, Public Works Superintendent Greg Skinner, and the following interested citizens:
Sandra Simar, Dotty O'Brien, Leona Peterson, Frank & Betty Weiland, David Rahn, Stan
Drahos, Mark & Gina Smith, Pat & Irene Harrington, Renee LaFortune, Scott Mack, Jim
Albrecht, Barb Casey, Mr. & Mrs. Bob Schmidt, Gene & Gretchen Smith, Becky Cheme,
Gregg Knutson, Cathy Bailey, Bob Bittle, Frank Ahrens and Audrey Ogland.
The Mayor opened the meeting and welcomed the people in attendance. The Pledge of
Allegiance was recited.
APPROVE AGENDA.
At this time items can be added to the Agenda that are not listed
and/or items can be removed from the Consent Agenda and voted
upon after the Consent Agenda has been approved.
Councilmember Ahrens stated she would like to add on an item - the upcoming COW Meeting
with the Assessor.
Ahrens also asked the January 19, 1999, COW Minutes be removed from the Consent Agenda.
*CONSENT AGENDA
MOTION made by Ahrens, seconded by Hanus to approve the Consent Agenda, as
amended. The vote was unanimously in favor. Motion carried.
*1.0 APPROVE THE MINUTES, AS AMENDED OF THE JANUARY 12, 1999,
REGULAR MEETING.
MOTION
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
*1.1 APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE JANUARY 26, 1999, REGULAR MEETING,
MOTION
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
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'1.2 APPROVAL TO REDUCE THE LETTER OF CREDIT - MAPLE MANORS,
RESOLUTION//99-11
RESOLUTION
LETTER OF
SUBDIVISION
RELEASING A PORTION OF
CREDIT MAPLE MANORS
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
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APPROVAL OF PUBLIC GATHERING PERMIT TO USE MOUND BAY PARK
FOR WEIGH-IN. FRIDAY JUNE 4. 1999. DENNY'S SUPER 30 BASS
TOURNAMlZ~NT,
MOTION
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
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APPROVAL OF OPERATIONS PERMIT - ZYGROVE CORPORATION, TO BE
LOCATED IN BALBOA BUILDING.
RESOLUTION #99-12
RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AN OPERATIONS
PERMIT TO ALLOW MANUFACTURING,
WAREHOUSING AND OFFICE SPACE FOR THE
ZYGROVE CORPORATION LOCATED AT 5302
SHORELINE DRIVE (BALBOA BUILDING)
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
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PAYMENT OF BILLS,
MOTION
Ahrens, Hanus, unanimously.
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MINUTES, OF THE JANUARY 19, 1999, COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
MEETING.
Councilmember Ahrens asked to have the discussion of the dock plan that was adopted at the
January 12th Meeting, following the Council Seating discussion, verbatim, in the January 19,
1999, COW Minutes.
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PUBLIC HEARING;
TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWERS AND
FACILITIES. CODE SECTION 350:1~4)0, ET SEO.
(PLANNIN~ ~0MMI$~ION WILL BE
THIS ON FEBRUARY $, MINUTES FROM THAT
MEETING WILL BE DISTRIBUTED TUESDAY
EVENING REGARDING THLg ITEM.
The Planner reviewed the changes that are being proposed. The Planning Commission
recommended approval with one modification. The Planner and legal counsel felt that the
language proposed by the Planning Commission was too narrow and did not offer the City the
flexibility it may need for co-location. Therefore, they are recommending the modifications as
proposed. There was some discussion on safety issues, if a tower were to fall.
The following are the proposed changes:
Section 350:1310, Subd. 5. is amended to read as follows:
Section 350:1310.
Subd. 5. Zoning Districts. A tower is not a permitted use in any zoning district.
Secdon 350:1320, Sub& 2. is amended t~ read as follows:
Subd. 2. Seflmck ~ A tower must comply with the following setback rcquirem~ts:
1
Towns sl-,aO not be located bawem a ~! m~t.re ~ a ~ ~
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Sectim3~.1330. lteight_ ReOktim. A l~wer rnay not eraeed the lesser of 125 feet in hdght or a height
Meamrenent ofttmer height must include abe ttneer smsmn'e itself, the base pad, and any tdectm~municatiom
a ~ ma_v be any _mrdmlar heig~
Section 350:. 1370. Subd. 2. is mmntkxt to read as folknvs:
Secdon 350:1385., Subd. 2. is anended Io read as folkneg
Section 350:1390 is hereby added, as follows:.
Vat,sm.
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s,
Section 350:. 1395. is hereby added as follows:
SulxL 1,
_~rmltee's m~ 4 wr~lm no~e 4~ ~ FoBowirm_ such ~ the CIty
~ by substmthl evldm~ ~taimd in a wr~_m t~rCL
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AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SF. CHON 3~0:13~ OF THE
CfFY CODE RELATI~ TO ATIOI~
TOWERS AND FACK/Hi~
The vo~ was ~y in favor. Motion carried.
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ONE YEAR REWIEW OF O~qDm~NAL USE PERMIT
APPLICA~ ~ EARLY ~OOD FAMILY I~UCATION
~ LOCATI~ AT SHORELINE
3. The railings ~ have been installed baween lhe columns.
Theooly problem seems to be the Waffic conlrol measuresinfi~toflt~edoom'ay. The two stop signs appear
crosswalk in front of the building for better vi~'bility. They also recommended redew of this CUP in ~
year. The ~ agreed. The student ~on of hhis facility has grown fnan 801o 120.
Hanus moved and Weycher secotxied the following resolution:
RESO~N ~9-13 RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE
Pl~341T TO ALLOW AN EDUCATIONAL FACII/rY (E.C.F_~.),
LOCATII) IN THE B-1 BUSINESS DISTRICT, AT 5241 SHO~
DRIVE, LOTS 7-20 & 26-35 & ALL VAC.~ & PARKING AREA
& PARK, BLOCK 1, SHIRLEY HIII.S UNIT "~', PID g13-117-24 34
0072, P & Z CASE//99-01
The vote was unanimously in favor. Motion carried.
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COMMEVIS AND SUGGESTIONS FROM CII'IZFNS PR .I~iENT.
Stan Drahos, 5430 Three Point Blvd. slaled that over the next 6 months he wrxfld ~ to accomplish
two
1. He spoke with regard to rte crosswalk at the House of Moy. It would be a pole with an arm
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~RT FROM JANUARY 30, 1999 MEEI1NG OF ~ENI$ FROM THE DEVQN
COMIVK)N AT ROANOKE ACCESS RE: IX)CK PIA~,
Park Director, Jun Faclder, reporlefl fiat a meeting of lhe neighlxnhood (approxima y 12 txxsons) was held
onianuary 30, 1999. He showedan~ of the plan lt~at was approved at lhe January 12th Cotnx/1
the dock spaees are determi~ by dividing halffl~e lir~_J footage on either side of the dock. These ~y~off
the area as a re~t of the January 30ah ndghtxMxxxt meeting. This allemale ~ did not ~ ~ mt~ from
what was approved in January. Slaff was to go out and lhen mark ffose spots. This was done on Febmary 3rd.
The orange markers showed the approved plan. The blue markers showed the allemative plan fi'om the January
slaff~ontou'ttlizelheirdockspace. Inothcr~, lheird~k may not fit ~y in one area
wilhinlhekdockspace. They may move it ov~ _bem___u~oflopogr~y; sizeofbmt; or design of tt~ dock.
space. The Ca~dockis atxx~9 to 11 feet east of where it is shown on the approved map, which putsiton
the Conm,t~ in front of the Ahrem ~.
People normally want to work this out and not infringe on someone else's waler space.
Greg Knulson, 4701 lshnd View Drive, gave a presentation on the alemate plan which would leave a minimum
of 46 feet between each dock. He laid the two overhead___ s on top of each o~a' to ~ that the ckx:ks stay pretty
much the same but the ~ between the docks is changed. He poinled out that the nonabutfing dock slay
on the lot lines as [hey have been. He pointed out the following differences in the approved plan, the allermle
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1995-1998 map - 42 feet on ff~e west side and 74 feet on the east side = ll6feeC
1995-1998 map - 42 feet on lhe west side and 42 feet on the east side = 84feet Dock was not in lastyear.
CASEY ~ SfIE #42t}00
1995-1998 map - 44 feet on the west side and 42 feet on the east side = 86feet
clffves.
Ahrem would slay where lhey have been. He asked if Ibis ham't been a problem before, why is the altemale
proposal to move 7 docks?
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St__ead_ dock.
looked into where Smith's dock was and deamnined fl~t it was 4-6 feet into Albrecht's dock space. Then Mr.
Albrecht was asked nottoputin his dock evm though he had paid the dock fee. Mr. Albrechtagr~ ~oletit
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"Haningtom' position on dock locations from footage 41437 ~n-ough 42129 (January 12, 1999 dock
location map)
41956 (Casey) Center~ at prolxxty line
41790 (Albrecht) " "" "
41477 (S___a~ad)_ - " "" "
No further ~ for multiple docks between 41437 and 42129 footage&"
He su~ fl~at everyone give and ~fl~ea little ~o work this out.
Them was diso~_,fion about the sand bar tl~ Mr. Mack sfaled comes offthe ixqx~ line baween heand
Ta~ortune. The Comcil asked Mr. Mackifheis O.K. wh~l~waslast year. Mr. Mack~, yes.
Hanus passed around a map fl~t ~ fl~e sand bar aims dira~y off of fl~e point, arzl aSere is a amlen i,4and
to the southe~ ff you were to stand on the point and face the bridge ~ Shady Ishnd and F_achant~xl
onlheofl~er~of~ ~ firelane. Hanus ~ttnt that has already been done and lhe number is 14 from
Kuehn to ! atchem.
Brown ~ fl~ if and when a phn is adopt, that a survey be done and ~t positions for flx~
docks be ~ so uhis doem't come up ~.
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lmow~ thc Albrecht dock i~ going to lx: an H dock. ~'~ dock i~ a ~might one.
Renee T a~ agrc~ with the ~ plan because heburdm is more evenly ~. She did not want
ncmabutfing docks would 1~ bet~ in front of parks and o1~ space vafl~ fl~ in front of ~'s ~. She
lhe dock fee this year. He has alr~__~y paid his d~ fee this year and would like to know if he was gcafing the
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The City Attorney sugg _~8__ that if the only issue is the Casey dock, maybe that should be dealt wilh hx_~ad
of coming up wiifi a definifion of center. Councilmen~rWeyckerwasalso concerr~ about the Albrecht and
St___~__ dock.
Mack voiced concern about the ~t dock because it ism H shaped dock and lhat will infringe on Mack's
Frank Ahrens s~ated lhis has always been a problem, when you lalk about cenlering docks, bo~___,_:~ wha~ do you
mean by centering? It's not where the dock meets l~ land and saying that's lhe center. If a stmight dock is
put out it's not a problem but a U, H or Ldock, can ca_,_tseaproblem wtx~ you lalkabout ~~. His
That is why he was in favor of Mr. Knutson's plan, bec~___t_t~ it gave everyone a little more room at his end.
Frank Ahrem, 4673 Island View Drive addies~ the~ and ~,~_____tott_ that Mr. Harrington's ~ is pretty
much the same as what was adol~. He underslxxxl what Ms. Casey was saying. He did not object l~ having
Ms. Casey 10~o 11 feet easterly ofthe Ahrem lot line. Hewotakt notlike to seeit moved any ~ thanit
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N~atmfl~g ~ n~ to ean~ faa' (4):
,1~0~ (Sdnnidt) - Cema~ at fn'e ~me mm'nne
41956 (Casey) - Celm'ed at propa~ line
41790~ - " "" "
41477 ~____~_. - " "" "
Smith Mack ~ l~.
Mack object, slating that it pushes Albrecht into his waler space. Weyckn' ~
~he according Io the 1999 plan, Albrecht would be just cast of fl~e Smith Mack
smaxl ~ ~ 40 feet between fl~e Mack si~e (41750) and fl~e ~ Albrecht site
(41790). You can lake two 20 feet spaces and butt them right up nero to each other.
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way over to the ~ it doesn't show any obsmx:Ik~, according to the ShefiWs
~lhewhole ~issuein 1977. The area wi h noOockswas reaUy
b~veen 41650 0 agomtne) dock sile and 41477 (Ixoposed S _t,~__ dock site).
of the Mack/Smith prop~ line.
Mack s~xt he wants to stay where he has been for 11 years and does not want ~o
move easterly.
so that peq~ are na ~r~ing m aher people's water spare
Frank Ahrem commented that if the City is going to place mon~ts, then a monet would be
11 feet east of that monumenL He asked if this was O. K. with CaseyandAhrens.
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it froma wa~ depth ~t ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~k~ ~ ~ c~ ~ ~~
line as tx~'ble? Was that l~t of the m(nion? Weycker ~___~_ she had accel~ lhat as the ~
as an ammdmmt tothemo~. She fl~m as~ if Brown had acceged it as the ~ mak~. Mr.
Brown staled that the way it goes is the way he sla~l it.
City Attormy.
propexW line ~ cre~____tes an ~t~ that locati~ and the Mack dock
at the local~ wteae it is currently ~~ ~ ~."
Hanus. "OnlyifMr. Mackis outside of his ~t~l wa~ since, lf he is inside of his owrenfly
assigned ~ ~, there is no conflict"
the closer imo shore ~e shallow area gets and by the time you get l~ the lot line, it's even
ahomryet Inallffeevi(k~I'vesem, it~~_e absoluelythe~e."
Hanus. "Ihaveacoupleofqueatkmsg)askthemakerofthemotion. First of all, I have l~ know what
· e ~ is ~ ~fis plan and what's already in plaee? That's the first ~hing.
Brown. "I took 41790 Io be just off the lot line."
Hanus. "By what criteria? Don't go by where the line is drown, beca__~J,se lhat's not acxawa~."
Meisel. 'That was my crileria."
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"Unfortu~_~y, the time before that they were 15 feet. You know, lhey wexe somewha
diffc~t again and then last year ~ey were 15 feet diffcrmt than lhe more ~ ~t
The S~ff is all over within 15 feet so l don't know ifl can tmstti~enumbers."
out on these lines and that's where it wotfld be."
"To define cenlgring. Jim, Ithink, clarified it be~. Due lo dock fonmfi~. You
know, aTor H.
"Jim did say it. Can you ~ it Jim?"
"Where I addressed the topography? I thinkI did thatin my memo a little bit, last
~, pagel. WhereIsaid,' ..... aslongas~siteholder~~~j~
Hanus. "And lt~t's by whose in~, the individual?"
"No, basically, it's a~ fl~e discretion of the Dock lnspeclor."
Hanus. "And so it will be back here. WeknowthaL They'llappcal. It's the same old lhing. It's
going to be back."
Weycker. "Well, I think it's better than nothing and Mr. Harfington said it best, I guess it's a
common seine issue. If you can't put your dock because there's a tree fl~ere, it ~
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'B~ttbat'sm~point. ThisisO.K. Idon'thavcan~x~ori~lcm~thit, tha amajor
problcm with ano~ part of that motion. W¢'ll~timothatinaminut~. Idon'thavca
tauOkm, maally, wi h Mr, lXOpo tx.. it's no~ lh~ Irnnanmt
we didn't def~ U'~gs ~t or we didn't.,., It's ~cr ~ and I don't see this ending
cilher."
"I don't have a problem wi~h it but, I thinkMark said it best. Oneyear it's 15 feet
one way and next year it's 15 feet the ofl~x way. I would like lo see it sm, cyud. If
we're going to §o of the lot lines. I want Io know where my lot lines are so it's not
be walking ~ are nonabu~ ..... ?"
"Most of these ~ have current modem mrveys on ~xn and most of these proper~
have property irons at thdr ~. We don't have to survey it. They're akns~ there.
sm'vey. How many ~ do we have here?"
Comment from the ~ about how much money there is in the Dock Fund.
'ql~at's no excuse to go out and lhrow the money away, dlher. The point is, we have the
irons out there. We don't have to resurvey. We've got bonded, licensed surveyors ~ have
done it already. Why do it again? We just need lo find out where those points are. "
"I've been ovc~ fffis area a few times in the last few monli~s and I know where a
number of ~e .... I know where lhe Knutsc~/Smith is, ll~ Cornea'. I know where
Ixahsidesoflhc~'sis. I know the access p~ts. I've found these many
limes over the last year or two. IknowlheAhren's. I know the Smith's."
"The one you have a problem wi~ and I was just ~ lo ~ is the oneup on the
Smith/Mack, wha'e~hereisalifts~atioaa~xe. Thereis~omuch'me~. Idohave
slakes are up. The Fore~ ~, as you go to Kuehns. Iknowwhere~
is. I'vebemov~lhis manytimes. Icanslakeit. ~ or not lhose irons have
bemmovcd. Ican'tvcrifythat. Asurveyorwill~~but, I can probably get
90% of the slakes that are out there."
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a motion fl~t says we're not going to, doem't s~op us from ~ it. So I think it's not good
pmcticeo~ The in~nt is frae. The in~nt is goodbut, the result won't be there. It
doesn't kr.k us in and I don't want ~o suggest ~o anyone i~ o~ here that it would, becaum
it won't."
Me/sd. "That's a scary flxa~oht, Mark."
Hanus. "Well it's true fl~ough.
Are you folks willing, if that ~ Io your si~e, are you willing ~o lose yo~ sile? Alock
in is a me lock in or are you talking about a ~ble lock in?
knownow, Ithink allowing this togo forward with reasonable care and saythatwe
can lockfl'fis dealin. That's the risk lhat I asalaxpayer isasking you, theCoa~,
City Atlom~.
of this thing, it can be mtxiifiefl or alfred only by a 4/5 vo~ of the entire City
Brown. "I'H amend Io lock it in for two ymrs, with a 4/5tbs vole of Coaxfl Io amend it, for tmflaea~
masmn .
City Attorney.
ga,at 4/5hh's vo~e.
Hanus. "So there's no lock-in. But the criteria Io make a change is a 4/5th's vole?
City Attorney.
voting the same way is a difficult si,~tion."
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withitfor ..... O.K. Twoyearsanda4/Ysvo mchangean ing. Are the peqae in
I-lanus ffgl not rfl~ Ihc 4/Sgas volg Io ~ ~ mal~ a ~angc.
Someone in the _a~ieme. "You don't even t~ave even 5 people voting on this issue."
The City Atltm~ poinled out that there are 4 people voting. That's 4/$1hs.
The Co.n'~ discussed what woukt hapix~ ~ ~ H, U & L ~ ~. How fl~e cenler is
needed ~o be flexible.
I-lanus. "You don't have to do amt. That's ~ flaere."
"Add, no ~ ~ f~r nmltiple docks. Add mmhuaing si:aces n~ to
egceed faw. Add, mt the iock-~ but, the 1 3n~.r or 2 ~ ~ a 4~5th's v~le to
chan~ it."
Weyd~. "Oiherwi~ what I just said cmkl be a lmfion? Did y~ want to anmt what I mmV"
~he We3n:~ molim died f~r lack el' a second.
MOrHON made by Brown to do fl~e f~owing:
1. Adopt the L099 Canrg, Jarmary 12th Han, a~wing Ms. Casey to move the 11 f_~__:
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'Ihe v~e m'lhe n~im was 3 ~ favm' w~h Hanm v~l~g nay. M~ti~ carried.
direc~ slated he would have I~ look that up. He thought it was sometin~ in early August.
stated tl~ maytx~ we shouldn't have Ixen renting it anyway, if you ~'t put it there. The
~e v~te was 2 in favor w~h Ham~ and Meisd vc~ing my. Motic~ fa~s.
Mdsd slated hat she voted no _l:eco___t~se his ~ was not submilled until August.
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R _FSOIMIION 99- RI~i0IMYff)N REG~G VARIOUS MATIER$ RELA~O TO THE
PROPERTY OWNED BY W'ESI'ONKA H.IBLIC SCHOOLS (WFI'HDRAWAL FROM
They directed the City Attorney to Igepme a resolution of witlxirawal for consi~ at this meeting. He
this and hold some further disot~.~ious as to why the project should not continue before any formal action laken
to wiltgimw.
one way or anaher. He repored flaat Westa~ School Board Member and WCCB Member, Bob B/tie, is
present.
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The Direc~ of the Head Start program addressed the Cotm~. She felt that a political game is being play~.
have s~axl looking for other places. She would have been able to s~trt all lhe things ~ go into having a
then newly elec~ officials can ~ what the people said lhey wanled.
The Mayor s~ed that it is not just newly eleced o~. We have all lalked alx~ it as a group and are trying
to come ~o a consmms. This resolulion has not been passed.
"I am probably ff~e only one who is sitting here that isin the~ position of saying that Iam one
ff~at'schanged my mindon fl~epr~ect. I suppor~ it early on and over time, I'vebeen loosing inlerest
in it and particularly loward ti~end ofthe year, I lostinlerest. The~ havebeen things that have
happen~ was in ~he sdection of the architect. I'm not- going to go ltu'ough the wtole s~ory of what
bec~__~_,~ I can't but, there's scn~ fl~gs lt~ ~ that had a bit of an odor at~ ffem and there
may have been ~ wr~ going on but, the appeamme of it was ceminlylhere. One of the more
recent~in~. Those of you who are familiar wi~h thepruject, know that one of the things
prolxxty acquired fi'om west of this sile. That property was ~ by the School ~ The
WCCB approved ~~ ~~ ~ with three conditions, two of which were never met
and even on the night before closing, I even forewarned some members of the board, Ihe Schod Board,
that you can ~y the~ if you Want ~t, the conditions haven't I~en met. The WCCB lmn't
approved it yet. You're doing it at your own fisk. Well, they chose to go ahead and do it but, now
people are going to be moving out of that propeny. It'sbeen~. They have to move and the
wor~, when you include the moving costs andit'sall for naught nt~. Itdidn't seemto makealotof
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and here we vaxe coming in at a million over what we even budgie. So, of course, what do you
there's ~ (x~ to come, ~ly quile a few more to come. A lot ofpeople have the ~
fl~at this site is going to look different when it's done and when you drive by there im't gdng robe
there right now and I'm ~ to it.' That hits home and ~ me. I'm also ~ by the
lack of~ ctmimunities financial ~~ ~ ~ ~ I lhink tt~ was kirfl ofneces~
smiors a little bit, that~ofit. The~of~tolheCity'sporfitmofcon~isnil.
It reaHy won't make any ~atall. Many of the current usexsin there, who wouki plan tobethe
future use~, arechoking on thenumbers that they're hearing. Again, em:lyon, I was ofthepen:qXi~,
be it right, be it wrong, that we were going Io, at least, be able ~o get our Imants Io pay for the heat
cannot eyre come close to lhat. One user, (I'm not sure who it was right off hand) but, one of the
anything close to lhat. They're ~ a free building but, they can't evm pay the heat and lighls. It's
not their fault. It's the si,~tion we're faced with so I'm deathly afraid of completing the project and
year, bylaw, raise'lhe lax levy enough, if we go to our limit, just lo pay for our portioa of that. It
would lake, at least, a couple of years of maximum levy limits and I think Ibis year it was ~
around 151o 18percent. I think if we did that, we would be hung. AH of that's been going on. Ihad
arcceat~attheHopldnsCealerfortheArts. A brand new building. A year and a half old,
somelhing like that. I had a four of that building and it showed me what can be done for 3 Io 5 million
dollars. It's just ama~ing. It's amazing what fl~at buikiing looks like and if you get a chance, go
through there. I couldn't ~ ~ did for that amount of money. Now, it'scomkiemblysmalla'
than this sile but, it's so much more efficient. Not only from an energy perspective but, space
pa'sp~ve, that when I ~ ~ it, it felt like it was Inacfically as big as this whole sile and it's
way less than half the space. I addition to that, the to~ amount of ~ lhat the City of Hopkins put
grits, 6:mtiom, and ~hings of that sort and therewas acoupleoflcans made. But, now that it's built,
Really, right now, and I truly bdicve now, and I'm really of the opine, ffatwe ~ Io have a cen~
for the average Joe. If you're not a senior, there im't a lot in lhere for ~~~yerlhat'sgoing
along the way but, that in a nula'~, gives you a rundown on what has caused me ~o slart changing my
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ldtdxm fadh'tyfor~teringservices. Things of that sort. I'm not saying that you could i~ lt~ ~, as it's
even saying lt~at we would do a thcs_ ~ but, the space is substantial, when ~ ~ly and efficiently."
the ~ is loday."
Someore ~~ ~ l~ building serves a lot of people in a weelc Audrey, fi'om Meals on Wheels,
"I don't think anyme would argue with what your saying and I don't think anyone ~ atall the
it. Idon'tseeaclx~inthematter~. We don't have the money to do it. That's only my opinion."
Weycker.
"I started out not ~y liu'illed with lhe plan as it was. I would have liked to see the pods gone
but, the way things worked out, I felt likeweclid have a good project. I feel bad that we spent so
much timeand emrgyon italr~y. Therewas going t~beakitdeu, a useable kitden, anda
as well, in a lot a big gla.~ cases. So I think we did have a lot of lhe things Mark is pointing out
continued bec~_~ I don't think we have another plan in mind and I think Mound really needs a
costs, all those lhings. We dm't have the ~,Jx~ district, and I can guarantee you, peq~ from
going on there. And, you've been involved in the discussiom and it's been a ~oncexn along the way.
And how do we account for that? And we were talking about ~ of ixxple who didn't live in
the area or work in a parti~ mmmunity. I too, felt we almost had to do that and it didn't feel
good. It didn't feel good. That's not conducive to a community center. But, lhat's what we were
kind of forced into doing. Y~ the lact in Hopkins, f~ example, is completely different and it's
~. I struggle ~ it, ~ ~ ~t."
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"And in no way would I want Io restrict it from aher ~~t~ cilher. I think a lot of the
concerns at the Monday night rneeling when we met with the Planning Commk4on and the
built a community center and SIxing Park built a canmunity center, that is just crazy. We're
of Mound was going lo have to pay double is what they kept saying. Well, it wam't quire
B~own.
half. So the citizens, taxpa~ of Mound got stuck wilh 3/4 of the total maintenance cost and when
{o con~ up with 3/4 of the mainl~mncc aH the time."
Weycker. "AcOn_!ly, the maintenance agreement was filly fifty."
BrownI!
what wtxdd it rake for us to get on board with you? The ~, the Planning Commi~4on
workingtogctherandflaeSchool~ar~lheWCCB. We'll all get on tmmxt wifla you. We'll
go with a new plan and we'H get rid of the pods, but we'll keep the old school, if that's IXU't what
"I have a comment on the resolution, if we're lo that point. The very last line of the very last
pal'agm~. I'd like to offer a change to that. It mentiom the dislfia and a pledge to work with them
andlt~at'sfine. But, really what l had in mind was a little more global ~t. Here's what I would
like to my, that the last smlence would say."
"It's a little more generic stalement. It allows us to work with the district or an.ytxxty else, or the
I-lanus. "Other ~ that, I have no problem with lhe language."
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RESOLUIK~ D9-14 KESOHIIION REGARDING VARIOUS MATIERS RI~kTING TO
THE pROPEglY OWNED BY WESTONKA ~ SCHOOLS Lpg)
g14-117-24 41 00109 g14-17-24 41 00119 g14-17-24 41 0{IS29 g14.117-24 41
00589 & 14-17-24 440007) P& Z CASE #'S ~6-64 & ~
The vo~e was 4 in favor with Weyclax voting my. Motion carried.
Brown slated lhat this is a new Cxxn~ and lhey offered to work with the Sclx~ Dislrict at lhat Monday
night meeting and were lold, no.
DEPARTMENT HEAD ANNUAL REI~RTS: JIM FACKLER, PARKS DIRECIOR4
GREG PEDERSON, FIRE CHIEF; GREG SKINNER, PUBLIC WORKS
~ENT; and FRAN CLARK, CITY ~
The following ~t Heads presmled their 1998 annual reports to the City Coundl: Jun Faclder,
Park Direclor; Greg Pedevsm, Fire Chief, Greg Skinner, Public Works Supefin~t; and Fran Clark,
City Clerk.
1.13 AI)I)ON ~ MEETING WITH THE ~ O)UN1T ~R
Ao
~t Head Monlhly Rqx~ for January 1999.
LMCD Executive Director's Newsleaer.
Dock and Commons Advisory Comani.~6~n Minutes of January 21, 1999.
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for Wedmsday, Febrmry 10, 1999, 6:00 P.m., Mound City Hall.
~mmLttee_~ of the Whole ~ is ~ for Tuesday, ~ i6, 1999,
7:30 P.M.
City Offices will be Closed Monday, Febmay 15, 1999, in Obsexvance of
President's Day.
Enclosed is an ~ for ti~ Vacancy on the Park and Open Spa~e
Commk~on. The POSC will inl~'view the ~t on Thursday, Fe ary 11,
1999 at 7:30 Pm. You are Inviled Io aamd.
Edward J. Shukle, Jr., City Manag~
Attest: City Clerk
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BILLS
February 9, 1999
Batch 9014
Batch 9015
Batch 9016
Batch 9017
Batch 9018
589.79
17,878.45
166,995.88
112,512.24
2,275.20
TOTAL BILLS
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